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		By: em		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love your post !! It is so clear and makes me understand what is &quot; normal &quot; and what isn`t !
it has been almost 2 years since I was blocked on what`s up for a &quot; wrong reaction &quot; to his status !
He had damped me 3 years before for a  girlfriend he had 25 years ago. ..she is married and 16 years younger.....
The &quot;funny&quot; part is that in our youth , we were a couple ! ....I broke up with him because I didn`t think he was serious !...and couldn`t stand his flirting with other women !.......he is extremely good looking and charming !...I married his brother!
25 years later he came back...telling me , he never forgot me !....and the game began  ......I was convinced he loved me and was ready to leave everything behind to follow the &quot; love of my life &quot;..
There was ONE thing , that never made sense to me!....he had so many secrets !...and got very irritated if I was asking questions ! he used to say , his wife was a mistake, they have nothing in common !
Things start changing when he &quot; reconnect &quot; with one of his exes !....he told me I shouldn`t be jealous he is only trying to help her out finding a job!...than one day an e-mail came ....&quot; he doesn`t have any feelings for me anymore &quot;....of course the other one was in the game.
While he was married verbally abused his wife making me think she is weak and has no character .
Later on I got to know her better and turned out to be a lie !...worse!.....while she was terminally sick I became a witness of his behaviour  !!.......he abused her with words and actions so bad that I became disgusted . Very few persons knew about it because she never complained !...she was so much in love and blind !.....She died 7 months later and he is now the poor widow !....collecting sympathy from all the people that don`t know him....posting every year on the day of her death a reminder in his status !...to wich I didn`t react !.....and as a punishment I was blocked on his phone.
For his circle of friends he is the most funny and loving person !...how blind they are!
His  girlfriend ( the one he had 25 years ago ) has a husband and 2 kids ....and he told me long ago, she is waiting for her kids to get a bit older to leave the family and live with him . 
I don`t know how many people he hurts , I just know that I am still dealing with his rejection .....he was ...the love of my life and I would lie if I say ...I don`t &quot; love &quot; him anymore,,,but I hope one day I get the chance to tell him what an insensitive,  selfish,  compassionless and poison person he is .....surely he will not see his wrong doing !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your post !! It is so clear and makes me understand what is &#8221; normal &#8221; and what isn`t !<br />
it has been almost 2 years since I was blocked on what`s up for a &#8221; wrong reaction &#8221; to his status !<br />
He had damped me 3 years before for a  girlfriend he had 25 years ago. ..she is married and 16 years younger&#8230;..<br />
The &#8220;funny&#8221; part is that in our youth , we were a couple ! &#8230;.I broke up with him because I didn`t think he was serious !&#8230;and couldn`t stand his flirting with other women !&#8230;&#8230;.he is extremely good looking and charming !&#8230;I married his brother!<br />
25 years later he came back&#8230;telling me , he never forgot me !&#8230;.and the game began  &#8230;&#8230;I was convinced he loved me and was ready to leave everything behind to follow the &#8221; love of my life &#8220;..<br />
There was ONE thing , that never made sense to me!&#8230;.he had so many secrets !&#8230;and got very irritated if I was asking questions ! he used to say , his wife was a mistake, they have nothing in common !<br />
Things start changing when he &#8221; reconnect &#8221; with one of his exes !&#8230;.he told me I shouldn`t be jealous he is only trying to help her out finding a job!&#8230;than one day an e-mail came &#8230;.&#8221; he doesn`t have any feelings for me anymore &#8220;&#8230;.of course the other one was in the game.<br />
While he was married verbally abused his wife making me think she is weak and has no character .<br />
Later on I got to know her better and turned out to be a lie !&#8230;worse!&#8230;..while she was terminally sick I became a witness of his behaviour  !!&#8230;&#8230;.he abused her with words and actions so bad that I became disgusted . Very few persons knew about it because she never complained !&#8230;she was so much in love and blind !&#8230;..She died 7 months later and he is now the poor widow !&#8230;.collecting sympathy from all the people that don`t know him&#8230;.posting every year on the day of her death a reminder in his status !&#8230;to wich I didn`t react !&#8230;..and as a punishment I was blocked on his phone.<br />
For his circle of friends he is the most funny and loving person !&#8230;how blind they are!<br />
His  girlfriend ( the one he had 25 years ago ) has a husband and 2 kids &#8230;.and he told me long ago, she is waiting for her kids to get a bit older to leave the family and live with him .<br />
I don`t know how many people he hurts , I just know that I am still dealing with his rejection &#8230;..he was &#8230;the love of my life and I would lie if I say &#8230;I don`t &#8221; love &#8221; him anymore,,,but I hope one day I get the chance to tell him what an insensitive,  selfish,  compassionless and poison person he is &#8230;..surely he will not see his wrong doing !</p>
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		By: Kristen Milstead		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2019 04:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://fairytaleshadows.com/why-is-the-narcissists-fan-club-so-complicit-how-flying-monkeys-perpetuate-the-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-16323&quot;&gt;Jonni&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Jonni:  I guess there are things I don&#039;t understand about what you wrote. I don&#039;t understand how the flying monkeys can be stalking and harassing you and yet you have no contact with them. When narcissists and flying monkeys are out of our lives, we cease to be harmed by them, so those two things seem at odds with one another. If either are able to stalk and harass you, I&#039;m unclear on how they can not be in your life. If you mean they are doing it through others, then they are still in your life. The reason I bring these things up is that there is still only so much you can control external to yourself, no matter how many people they use by-proxy to get to you. I think understanding them and what motivates them is a big part of disempowering them, because you can cease letting what they do get to you. If it&#039;s dangerous, that&#039;s a different story, but perhaps you will think of a way to start documenting that. It&#039;s difficult for me to offer any solutions or suggestions without knowing specifics to what it is exactly that is being done and how. I wish you the strength to find a solution and I hope you are able to find some peace. -Kristen]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://fairytaleshadows.com/why-is-the-narcissists-fan-club-so-complicit-how-flying-monkeys-perpetuate-the-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-16323">Jonni</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Jonni:  I guess there are things I don&#8217;t understand about what you wrote. I don&#8217;t understand how the flying monkeys can be stalking and harassing you and yet you have no contact with them. When narcissists and flying monkeys are out of our lives, we cease to be harmed by them, so those two things seem at odds with one another. If either are able to stalk and harass you, I&#8217;m unclear on how they can not be in your life. If you mean they are doing it through others, then they are still in your life. The reason I bring these things up is that there is still only so much you can control external to yourself, no matter how many people they use by-proxy to get to you. I think understanding them and what motivates them is a big part of disempowering them, because you can cease letting what they do get to you. If it&#8217;s dangerous, that&#8217;s a different story, but perhaps you will think of a way to start documenting that. It&#8217;s difficult for me to offer any solutions or suggestions without knowing specifics to what it is exactly that is being done and how. I wish you the strength to find a solution and I hope you are able to find some peace. -Kristen</p>
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		By: Jonni		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2019 01:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://fairytaleshadows.com/why-is-the-narcissists-fan-club-so-complicit-how-flying-monkeys-perpetuate-the-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-16321&quot;&gt;Kristen Milstead&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for replying Kristen. I thought I mentioned that these people are not in my life at all because they don&#039;t respect boundaries, let alone me. It&#039;s the stalking &#038; harassment that follows me like a horrible dark storm due to flying monkeys. Any information they receive is not by me. I have ZERO contact with my family, nor any of the friends from past. I don&#039;t speak of them, nor do I want to know anything about them or their lives. When I said earlier they behave like hardcore drug addicts (I&#039;m the drug), I meant that in the utmost literal sense. I can&#039;t take any legal action as the actions taken are hard to prove. Thanks again, I will have to keep searching for a solution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://fairytaleshadows.com/why-is-the-narcissists-fan-club-so-complicit-how-flying-monkeys-perpetuate-the-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-16321">Kristen Milstead</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for replying Kristen. I thought I mentioned that these people are not in my life at all because they don&#8217;t respect boundaries, let alone me. It&#8217;s the stalking &amp; harassment that follows me like a horrible dark storm due to flying monkeys. Any information they receive is not by me. I have ZERO contact with my family, nor any of the friends from past. I don&#8217;t speak of them, nor do I want to know anything about them or their lives. When I said earlier they behave like hardcore drug addicts (I&#8217;m the drug), I meant that in the utmost literal sense. I can&#8217;t take any legal action as the actions taken are hard to prove. Thanks again, I will have to keep searching for a solution.</p>
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		By: Kristen Milstead		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2019 22:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://fairytaleshadows.com/why-is-the-narcissists-fan-club-so-complicit-how-flying-monkeys-perpetuate-the-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-16316&quot;&gt;Jonni&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Jonni:  I am so sorry that you are going through this. It&#039;s horrible when the narcissist and toxic people in our lives are family members. In answer to your question, I think that the answer is, sadly, that we don&#039;t. We can&#039;t control what other people do or what they think about us. We can choose only to set boundaries with people who act in this way toward us, and sometimes, depending on the situation, in extreme circumstances, that may mean removing them from our lives. But it is for you to determine what limits you will set. There is an excellent book I read recently called Recovering from Emotionally Immature Parents. There is a book and then also a new workbook that came out this year that just goes more in-depth into the ideas from the first book with action steps. I highly recommend them. But the more we empower ourselves to decide what to do about how they control us, the more we can do to keep them from hurting us both emotionally and also in the external world by the things they may do. It&#039;s not easy, but I believe the fact that you are reaching out means you are gathering strength and you understand what you need to do. Just taking the first step sometimes is the hardest. Please take care of yourself and stay strong. -Kristen]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://fairytaleshadows.com/why-is-the-narcissists-fan-club-so-complicit-how-flying-monkeys-perpetuate-the-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-16316">Jonni</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Jonni:  I am so sorry that you are going through this. It&#8217;s horrible when the narcissist and toxic people in our lives are family members. In answer to your question, I think that the answer is, sadly, that we don&#8217;t. We can&#8217;t control what other people do or what they think about us. We can choose only to set boundaries with people who act in this way toward us, and sometimes, depending on the situation, in extreme circumstances, that may mean removing them from our lives. But it is for you to determine what limits you will set. There is an excellent book I read recently called Recovering from Emotionally Immature Parents. There is a book and then also a new workbook that came out this year that just goes more in-depth into the ideas from the first book with action steps. I highly recommend them. But the more we empower ourselves to decide what to do about how they control us, the more we can do to keep them from hurting us both emotionally and also in the external world by the things they may do. It&#8217;s not easy, but I believe the fact that you are reaching out means you are gathering strength and you understand what you need to do. Just taking the first step sometimes is the hardest. Please take care of yourself and stay strong. -Kristen</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2019 18:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been dealing with a NIGHTMARE situation like this for two decades. The narcissist is my mother, a textbook definition of wolf in sheep&#039;s clothing; actually Cape Buffalo in household cat clothing. I have done most everything to stop the abuse. I have moved clear across the country, there has been absolutely no contact with her or anyone close to her. I left friends, family, a life that I highly valued to start fresh leaving the past in the past. Nothing has worked, my life is still being destroyed via bullying &#038; harassment. Until reading this article, I didn&#039;t have a name for her fan club, Flying Monkeys is perfect!! She has infected seemingly everyone I know, those people then extend her spell to those they know who can reach me in some form (social media makes their agenda almost effortless). Hence, I now have no friends, no one I trust, new acquaintances (strangers) will ask inappropriate personal questions. They are armed with so much info that it&#039;s extremely creepy and unsettling at times. Someone I have never met starts talking to me as if we have known each other for years. They try to bond with me to obtain more..a HUGE RED FLAG!! My home, vehicles, other personal property is constantly being disturb/vandalized. If this was not happening to me, I would think it was fiction. I am not anyone of importance, I am not wealthy, I am not a flashy person, I am honest, direct, independent, humble, perceived as very intelligent. Generally no different that what I think most are. I cannot begin to explain the interest, nor why so many would take interest to help this woman. I have not been able to accomplish much of my life goals during the last 20 years because of this behavior. Every time I make great strides, become close to turning a dream to reality, my legs are kicked from underneath me via manipulation by some flying monkey or group of them. I am now a middle aged man whose major life accomplishment has been avoiding attacks and rebuilding have three total life devastation due to having  my income interrupted. Her agenda is simply to control me as she does everyone. My personality type, INTJ, doesn&#039;t help with the character assignations, that I am an addict, monster, cold, unfeeling, etc. Throughout the years, via work or social interactions I have been setup in situations to give validity. In 20 years, NOT ONE time has anything negative been proven. In fact, the exact opposite, which then I am told I am too perfect. LOL  What it has done, made me stronger, smarter, I have become an expert on myself (the only thing I am an expert on). I am tired, back into devastation, I refuse to try to rebuild, I am trapped in this dark circle. They have a hardcore addition problem. I am the drug. I don&#039;t chase them, I don&#039;t talk about them, ignore them. Yet it seems to only fuel them to find more was ato get my attention. My INTJ personality is perfect for dealing similar situations.  This is like an infection that is immune to current treatments. How does one stop this attach with flying monkeys?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been dealing with a NIGHTMARE situation like this for two decades. The narcissist is my mother, a textbook definition of wolf in sheep&#8217;s clothing; actually Cape Buffalo in household cat clothing. I have done most everything to stop the abuse. I have moved clear across the country, there has been absolutely no contact with her or anyone close to her. I left friends, family, a life that I highly valued to start fresh leaving the past in the past. Nothing has worked, my life is still being destroyed via bullying &amp; harassment. Until reading this article, I didn&#8217;t have a name for her fan club, Flying Monkeys is perfect!! She has infected seemingly everyone I know, those people then extend her spell to those they know who can reach me in some form (social media makes their agenda almost effortless). Hence, I now have no friends, no one I trust, new acquaintances (strangers) will ask inappropriate personal questions. They are armed with so much info that it&#8217;s extremely creepy and unsettling at times. Someone I have never met starts talking to me as if we have known each other for years. They try to bond with me to obtain more..a HUGE RED FLAG!! My home, vehicles, other personal property is constantly being disturb/vandalized. If this was not happening to me, I would think it was fiction. I am not anyone of importance, I am not wealthy, I am not a flashy person, I am honest, direct, independent, humble, perceived as very intelligent. Generally no different that what I think most are. I cannot begin to explain the interest, nor why so many would take interest to help this woman. I have not been able to accomplish much of my life goals during the last 20 years because of this behavior. Every time I make great strides, become close to turning a dream to reality, my legs are kicked from underneath me via manipulation by some flying monkey or group of them. I am now a middle aged man whose major life accomplishment has been avoiding attacks and rebuilding have three total life devastation due to having  my income interrupted. Her agenda is simply to control me as she does everyone. My personality type, INTJ, doesn&#8217;t help with the character assignations, that I am an addict, monster, cold, unfeeling, etc. Throughout the years, via work or social interactions I have been setup in situations to give validity. In 20 years, NOT ONE time has anything negative been proven. In fact, the exact opposite, which then I am told I am too perfect. LOL  What it has done, made me stronger, smarter, I have become an expert on myself (the only thing I am an expert on). I am tired, back into devastation, I refuse to try to rebuild, I am trapped in this dark circle. They have a hardcore addition problem. I am the drug. I don&#8217;t chase them, I don&#8217;t talk about them, ignore them. Yet it seems to only fuel them to find more was ato get my attention. My INTJ personality is perfect for dealing similar situations.  This is like an infection that is immune to current treatments. How does one stop this attach with flying monkeys?</p>
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		By: Rebecca C McDonald		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jul 2019 23:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just went through this with one of my ex’s cousins that I had grown close to. At first she said she couldn’t believe he would say or do those things and she was angry and baffled about it. Then it became that I was demonizing him and she couldn’t stay in contact with me because she felt like it was betraying him and she believes he’s a good guy and just has some issues – like everyone in the world and that I shouldn’t lump him into the category of “abuser”. It was so hurtful and I could only tell her that just because some-one doesn’t believe something doesn’t mean it’s not true, but that I understood. I told her a couple specific things he had said or done to me numerous times, (because I had only been general up to that point), and said that I was not going to lie about it any longer or take responsibility for his behaviour and words any more. I choose to speak the truth about what I experienced in our five year relationship and that truth will hopefully set me free and help others  going through the same. Thank you for your articles. They help me so much in this process of moving forward.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just went through this with one of my ex’s cousins that I had grown close to. At first she said she couldn’t believe he would say or do those things and she was angry and baffled about it. Then it became that I was demonizing him and she couldn’t stay in contact with me because she felt like it was betraying him and she believes he’s a good guy and just has some issues – like everyone in the world and that I shouldn’t lump him into the category of “abuser”. It was so hurtful and I could only tell her that just because some-one doesn’t believe something doesn’t mean it’s not true, but that I understood. I told her a couple specific things he had said or done to me numerous times, (because I had only been general up to that point), and said that I was not going to lie about it any longer or take responsibility for his behaviour and words any more. I choose to speak the truth about what I experienced in our five year relationship and that truth will hopefully set me free and help others  going through the same. Thank you for your articles. They help me so much in this process of moving forward.</p>
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		By: Chauntelle A Russell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2019 09:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://fairytaleshadows.com/why-is-the-narcissists-fan-club-so-complicit-how-flying-monkeys-perpetuate-the-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-13006&quot;&gt;Lizzy Smith&lt;/a&gt;.

I AGREE 110% LIZZY. IVE SAID THIS SAME THING FOR A DECADE!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://fairytaleshadows.com/why-is-the-narcissists-fan-club-so-complicit-how-flying-monkeys-perpetuate-the-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-13006">Lizzy Smith</a>.</p>
<p>I AGREE 110% LIZZY. IVE SAID THIS SAME THING FOR A DECADE!</p>
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		By: Lizzy Smith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lizzy Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2019 05:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interestingly, the narcissistic abuse to those close to me have been from women, and they are by far the worst.]]></description>
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