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		By: Jenna Bishop		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Holy shit. Thank you for putting my thoughts into words- thoughts that I couldn’t quite put together. This helped me so much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy shit. Thank you for putting my thoughts into words- thoughts that I couldn’t quite put together. This helped me so much.</p>
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		By: Gail		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2019 02:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://fairytaleshadows.com/no-contact-phase-three/comment-page-1/#comment-761&quot;&gt;Vicki Zimmerman&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p&gt;At least he said sorry, mine never did.  It was always my fault.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://fairytaleshadows.com/no-contact-phase-three/comment-page-1/#comment-761">Vicki Zimmerman</a>.</p>
<p>At least he said sorry, mine never did.  It was always my fault.</p>
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		By: Keri Blum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://fairytaleshadows.com/no-contact-phase-three/comment-page-1/#comment-17461&quot;&gt;Julie&lt;/a&gt;.

Julie, I want you to know you are not alone. It is not easy what you are going through. Missing someone you truly cared for is hard, and all the pain he causes you still not going to change the fact you are a human being with feeling. Allow your feelings to serve its time. Sadness, disappointment, anger, and missing all okay. Hoping you will have more strength to deal during your healing journey.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://fairytaleshadows.com/no-contact-phase-three/comment-page-1/#comment-17461">Julie</a>.</p>
<p>Julie, I want you to know you are not alone. It is not easy what you are going through. Missing someone you truly cared for is hard, and all the pain he causes you still not going to change the fact you are a human being with feeling. Allow your feelings to serve its time. Sadness, disappointment, anger, and missing all okay. Hoping you will have more strength to deal during your healing journey.</p>
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		By: Julie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2019 08:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://fairytaleshadows.com/no-contact-phase-three/comment-page-1/#comment-7595&quot;&gt;Maja&lt;/a&gt;.

I also do therapy twice weekly.  Sometimes I feel like I will never get past all the hurt and sadness.  I go from angry and hating him to missing him.  Why do I miss and love him so much for all I allowed him to do to me. I should only hate him.
Though I made the decision to have no contact, I’m still allowing him to control my mind and thoughts.  Though I know he will NEVER be truly sorry and he will NEVER take responsibility for any of my hurt. I am afraid I will taker that call .  I cant even block him because then I cant see if he tried calling or text me.  Am I that insane and messed up.  Its crazy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://fairytaleshadows.com/no-contact-phase-three/comment-page-1/#comment-7595">Maja</a>.</p>
<p>I also do therapy twice weekly.  Sometimes I feel like I will never get past all the hurt and sadness.  I go from angry and hating him to missing him.  Why do I miss and love him so much for all I allowed him to do to me. I should only hate him.<br />
Though I made the decision to have no contact, I’m still allowing him to control my mind and thoughts.  Though I know he will NEVER be truly sorry and he will NEVER take responsibility for any of my hurt. I am afraid I will taker that call .  I cant even block him because then I cant see if he tried calling or text me.  Am I that insane and messed up.  Its crazy</p>
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		By: Maja		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2019 15:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for your writing. This is the hardest thing I have ever been through. Soon it will be 6 months of No contact. The pain is still raw and I find it really hard understanding what happened to me. I still do therapy twice a week and I am working hard to move on. Realizing who this man was is still a shock but I understand why I lost all confidence, 25 kilos and myself in only 9 months. I can not wait until the day I feel completely healed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your writing. This is the hardest thing I have ever been through. Soon it will be 6 months of No contact. The pain is still raw and I find it really hard understanding what happened to me. I still do therapy twice a week and I am working hard to move on. Realizing who this man was is still a shock but I understand why I lost all confidence, 25 kilos and myself in only 9 months. I can not wait until the day I feel completely healed.</p>
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		By: Kristen Milstead		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2018 19:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://fairytaleshadows.com/no-contact-phase-three/comment-page-1/#comment-761&quot;&gt;Vicki Zimmerman&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Vicki:  I really must thank *you* for taking the time to join in the conversations here and share so much of your story.  I&#039;m so glad that you have found the things I have written here so helpful, and thank you so much for your kind words about them.  You ask for me to share some experiences about crazy-making experiences, or examples from my relationship.  I have shared a few specific things in my articles across time and the ones I can think of off the top of my head are &quot;How Did I Know He Was a Narcissist?&quot;, &quot;How My Narcissist Ex Gained Control Over Me,&quot; &quot;What Cruelty By a Narcissist Looks Like.&quot;  These are very extreme examples.  As far as the everyday stuff went, where should I start??  I will say that gaslighting was one of the biggest crazy-makers, because he did it constantly, and my merely asking about it he could then turn around back on me, and then that was a further form of the conditioning.  Here are just a few examples:   

-He added an ex-girlfriend back to a social media app that he claimed was obsessed with him and he was trying to avoid and who he also claimed had called me names and I was pretty upset about it since he&#039;d made such a big deal about how she&#039;d tried to interfere in our relationship, and he claimed it was an Internet glitch and suddenly she disappeared from his list.  For six hours he tried to claim he didn&#039;t add her.  It was only after I said he was lying and I didn&#039;t date liars and was about to break up with him that he admitted he was lying.  If I hadn&#039;t screenshotted it, I would have started to doubt myself.  One of the few times he came clean-- this happened early.  I had proof and he knew I was serious about walking away.

-He told me he didn&#039;t care if I left, that there would always be someone better to come along.  Later, I reminded him what he said and he said, &quot;I didn&#039;t say that, I said you could find someone better.&quot;

-He&#039;d say he met people certain places, then say he met them somewhere else.  I&#039;d say, but I thought you said you met them [first place].  He&#039;d say, &quot;I never said that.&quot;

-He told me a story about his father that he said happened in the country that he is originally from.  Later he told me the same story and said it happened to his uncle.  Then I started to doubt myself and think maybe I&#039;d misheard and that he was repeating it and had told it to me about his uncle the first time.  

-He told me about the first time he had sex with an ex-girlfriend once randomly.  Later, he was telling me a similar story that he said happened at a party, and I said, I thought you said that happened with [the ex-girlfriend]-- &quot;I never said that.  You don&#039;t even know that story or what you&#039;re talking about. Why are you bringing her up?&quot;

-&quot;I&#039;m going to stop by the gym on the way home.&quot;  Me:  &quot;Okay.&quot;  The next day.  Him:  &quot;Yesterday when I stopped by [the gas station where his friend works...]&quot;  Me:  &quot;I thought you went to the gym?&quot;  Him:  &quot;The gym?  I didn&#039;t say that.  Well, maybe I did, I don&#039;t remember, but who cares where I was? Why do you always have to start an argument.&quot;

Gaslighting, gaslighting, gaslighting, all day long...  it was ridiculous.

Anyway, I hope that this is helpful.  It&#039;s not pretty to live with, but the more you can get out from under it even just to spend some time away, the more your head clears enough to start getting your own control back.  

Thank you for taking the time to leave your comments and for your kind words.  Keep being strong!  -Kristen]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://fairytaleshadows.com/no-contact-phase-three/comment-page-1/#comment-761">Vicki Zimmerman</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Vicki:  I really must thank *you* for taking the time to join in the conversations here and share so much of your story.  I&#8217;m so glad that you have found the things I have written here so helpful, and thank you so much for your kind words about them.  You ask for me to share some experiences about crazy-making experiences, or examples from my relationship.  I have shared a few specific things in my articles across time and the ones I can think of off the top of my head are &#8220;How Did I Know He Was a Narcissist?&#8221;, &#8220;How My Narcissist Ex Gained Control Over Me,&#8221; &#8220;What Cruelty By a Narcissist Looks Like.&#8221;  These are very extreme examples.  As far as the everyday stuff went, where should I start??  I will say that gaslighting was one of the biggest crazy-makers, because he did it constantly, and my merely asking about it he could then turn around back on me, and then that was a further form of the conditioning.  Here are just a few examples:   </p>
<p>-He added an ex-girlfriend back to a social media app that he claimed was obsessed with him and he was trying to avoid and who he also claimed had called me names and I was pretty upset about it since he&#8217;d made such a big deal about how she&#8217;d tried to interfere in our relationship, and he claimed it was an Internet glitch and suddenly she disappeared from his list.  For six hours he tried to claim he didn&#8217;t add her.  It was only after I said he was lying and I didn&#8217;t date liars and was about to break up with him that he admitted he was lying.  If I hadn&#8217;t screenshotted it, I would have started to doubt myself.  One of the few times he came clean&#8211; this happened early.  I had proof and he knew I was serious about walking away.</p>
<p>-He told me he didn&#8217;t care if I left, that there would always be someone better to come along.  Later, I reminded him what he said and he said, &#8220;I didn&#8217;t say that, I said you could find someone better.&#8221;</p>
<p>-He&#8217;d say he met people certain places, then say he met them somewhere else.  I&#8217;d say, but I thought you said you met them [first place].  He&#8217;d say, &#8220;I never said that.&#8221;</p>
<p>-He told me a story about his father that he said happened in the country that he is originally from.  Later he told me the same story and said it happened to his uncle.  Then I started to doubt myself and think maybe I&#8217;d misheard and that he was repeating it and had told it to me about his uncle the first time.  </p>
<p>-He told me about the first time he had sex with an ex-girlfriend once randomly.  Later, he was telling me a similar story that he said happened at a party, and I said, I thought you said that happened with [the ex-girlfriend]&#8211; &#8220;I never said that.  You don&#8217;t even know that story or what you&#8217;re talking about. Why are you bringing her up?&#8221;</p>
<p>-&#8220;I&#8217;m going to stop by the gym on the way home.&#8221;  Me:  &#8220;Okay.&#8221;  The next day.  Him:  &#8220;Yesterday when I stopped by [the gas station where his friend works&#8230;]&#8221;  Me:  &#8220;I thought you went to the gym?&#8221;  Him:  &#8220;The gym?  I didn&#8217;t say that.  Well, maybe I did, I don&#8217;t remember, but who cares where I was? Why do you always have to start an argument.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gaslighting, gaslighting, gaslighting, all day long&#8230;  it was ridiculous.</p>
<p>Anyway, I hope that this is helpful.  It&#8217;s not pretty to live with, but the more you can get out from under it even just to spend some time away, the more your head clears enough to start getting your own control back.  </p>
<p>Thank you for taking the time to leave your comments and for your kind words.  Keep being strong!  -Kristen</p>
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		By: Vicki Zimmerman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2018 21:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Kristen,  You write so purely, deeply and eloquently and your toolkit is such a lifesaver for me. In fact, I shared it with my therapist and she loved it. This deep introspection you discuss is so essential no matter how painful, because your mindful awareness will empower you and all of us. I am at the end of a 39-year marriage (three cats and no children by choice) to a narcissist and at the third and fourth stage and moving quickly as I read the H. G. Tudor links you provided and your five stages article. The crazy-making behavior at my home is becoming more and more obvious and while my husband was highly-successful in business and is well-liked and respected in the community, taking leadership to the max, at the home level the cold, emotionally-indifferent persona takes over. I would love to hear one or two specific examples that occurred with your narcissist. Can you share a couple of experiences without violating privacy issues?  Mine run the gamut from screaming at me over insignificant things (I’m late getting in the car, my lentil soup is causing the stovetop he cleaned to get soiled in the midst of my cooking (!), calling him out for leaving the Dutch door screen open so our cats won’t get out and then being the brunt of a huge raging, outburst rather than saying he’s sorry (this then morphed into the notion that he thought I’d bought a new scratching post (I hadn’t; he just didn’t recall we had two!) and that I cluttered up the house and spent money needlessly, all the while I’m stirring my lentil soup. You get the picture. I’m so close to leaving. Add that my Dad is now in hospice and his health is day to day (my narcissist husband didn’t even go to his 90th birthday party this spring, because “they don’t like me and what do they do for me‽”), so these are difficult and stressful times for me. I’m so glad I found you, Kristen.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristen,  You write so purely, deeply and eloquently and your toolkit is such a lifesaver for me. In fact, I shared it with my therapist and she loved it. This deep introspection you discuss is so essential no matter how painful, because your mindful awareness will empower you and all of us. I am at the end of a 39-year marriage (three cats and no children by choice) to a narcissist and at the third and fourth stage and moving quickly as I read the H. G. Tudor links you provided and your five stages article. The crazy-making behavior at my home is becoming more and more obvious and while my husband was highly-successful in business and is well-liked and respected in the community, taking leadership to the max, at the home level the cold, emotionally-indifferent persona takes over. I would love to hear one or two specific examples that occurred with your narcissist. Can you share a couple of experiences without violating privacy issues?  Mine run the gamut from screaming at me over insignificant things (I’m late getting in the car, my lentil soup is causing the stovetop he cleaned to get soiled in the midst of my cooking (!), calling him out for leaving the Dutch door screen open so our cats won’t get out and then being the brunt of a huge raging, outburst rather than saying he’s sorry (this then morphed into the notion that he thought I’d bought a new scratching post (I hadn’t; he just didn’t recall we had two!) and that I cluttered up the house and spent money needlessly, all the while I’m stirring my lentil soup. You get the picture. I’m so close to leaving. Add that my Dad is now in hospice and his health is day to day (my narcissist husband didn’t even go to his 90th birthday party this spring, because “they don’t like me and what do they do for me‽”), so these are difficult and stressful times for me. I’m so glad I found you, Kristen.</p>
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		By: Kristen Milstead		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://fairytaleshadows.com/no-contact-phase-three/comment-page-1/#comment-756&quot;&gt;Jesse&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Jesse:  That is all so horrible!  You went through a lot.  I&#039;m sorry you had to quit your job.  I&#039;m glad you had a supportive employer, however, even though the damage is still something that you had to deal with psychologically.  Thank you for sharing your story.  It provides me with a lot of hope!  -Kristen]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://fairytaleshadows.com/no-contact-phase-three/comment-page-1/#comment-756">Jesse</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Jesse:  That is all so horrible!  You went through a lot.  I&#8217;m sorry you had to quit your job.  I&#8217;m glad you had a supportive employer, however, even though the damage is still something that you had to deal with psychologically.  Thank you for sharing your story.  It provides me with a lot of hope!  -Kristen</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://fairytaleshadows.com/no-contact-phase-three/comment-page-1/#comment-757&quot;&gt;Rick miller&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Rick: The only way it can be addressed is by men with female partners telling their own stories, not by shaming or blaming women who are already telling their own.  I believe every woman here who has mentioned men as narcissists is writing from the experience of their lives, just as you are welcome to write about yours.  None of us need to feel guilty about how we tell our stories and claim.the narratives of what happened. As survivors, we are all on the same side.  Thank you for leaving a comment.  -Kristen ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://fairytaleshadows.com/no-contact-phase-three/comment-page-1/#comment-757">Rick miller</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Rick: The only way it can be addressed is by men with female partners telling their own stories, not by shaming or blaming women who are already telling their own.  I believe every woman here who has mentioned men as narcissists is writing from the experience of their lives, just as you are welcome to write about yours.  None of us need to feel guilty about how we tell our stories and claim.the narratives of what happened. As survivors, we are all on the same side.  Thank you for leaving a comment.  -Kristen </p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2018 06:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Ya know what ladies, men go through this as victims as well. All the comments are saying the man or the husband or the boy etc etc. That needs to be addressed.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya know what ladies, men go through this as victims as well. All the comments are saying the man or the husband or the boy etc etc. That needs to be addressed.</p>
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